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Bent, sorry to hear about your mishap. Get well soon.

Yes, the Motard bikes are quite addicting. I've been teaching dirt bike schools too often and I'm hearing the Sirens calling me back to the 'Motard track. I now have that additional 04 KTM 450 I can use for it while I leave my 02 520 EXC for the dirt. Never too many bikes says I. Now I need to get the Husaberg back together as well (electrical gremlins).

Keep in touch and lets keep the OHVCOW on track (still don't like that Acronym). I'll be going to the June 29 & 30 WOHVA Convention, will you be up there? John has suggested I run for a board position in order to get a motorcyclist involved.

Alex 

Here is the final agenda. If you have not registered you can still come up and register on site.

Wisconsin
OHV Organizational Workshop

Saturday – May 19, 2007
9:00 a.m. – 3:30 p.m.

Dino’s Restaurant
2901 New Pinery Road, Portage, WI 53901

Draft Agenda

8:30 a.m.   Registration w/ Beverage Service            
               
9:00      Welcome, Agenda Review, Ground Rules and Introductions

9:30      Review of April 14 WI Organizational Development Workshop
   
•   Accomplishments
o   Consensus on desire to work together
o   Development of a Planning Team
o   Coordination of today’s Unity meeting
o   Comment on DNR Rule
o   Draft comments on the Badgerland OHV Area proposal

•   Challenges for the WI OHV recreation community
o   Organizational – how can you work effectively together
o   Recreational – how can you best improve your opportunities
o   Legislative – how can you work most effectively with legislators

10:00      Organizational structure options - how can the WI OHV community work         most effectively together?

•   Agreement of state organizations to develop a new incorporated umbrella association that they will all join together under – example: The New Mexico OHV Alliance (NMOHVC) www.nmohva.org
“NMOHVA is a statewide incorporated alliance of motorized off-highway vehicle (OHV) enthusiasts that promotes responsible OHV recreation through education, safety training, land conservation and access, in cooperation with public and private interests, to ensure a positive future for OHV recreation in New Mexico.”
 
•   Agreement of state organizations to join together under the umbrella of an already existing incorporated association – example: CT Trail Users (CTU)
www.cttrailusers.org
“Connecticut Trail Users is a statewide association of all-terrain vehicle, four-wheel drive and off-highway motorcycle enthusiasts. The association develops and acts on legislation affecting OHV recreation, promotes safety, youth and trail ethics training, and encourages volunteer efforts to maintain trails, protect the environment and improve responsible OHV opportunities.”
•   Formal coalition – example: CA League of Off Road Voters (CLORV) www.clorv.org
The California League of Off Road Voters (CLORV) is comprised of politically active members of the American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) National, the American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) District 36, the American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) District 37 Off Road and Dual Sport Divisions, the American Sand Association (ASA), the California Association of Four Wheel Drive Clubs (CA4WDC), the California Nevada Snowmobile Association (CNSA), the California Off Road Vehicle Association (CORVA), the Friends of Oceano Dunes (FOD), the Off Road Business Association (ORBA), and the San Diego Off-Road Coalition (SDORC), which collectively have over 100,000 members.
The California League of Off Road Voters is organized as a 501(c)4 corporation to provide guidance, education, and coordinating services to the OHV community on state and federal OHV recreation issue. 
•   Informal coalition – example: CA OHV Leadership Groups

The California OHV Leadership Groups are comprised of the American Motorcyclist Association District 37 and District 38, the American Sand Association (ASA), the California Association of Four Wheel Drive Clubs (CA4WDC), the California Off Road Vehicle Association (CORVA), the Friends of Oceano Dunes (FOD), the Off Road Business Association (ORBA), and the San Diego Off-Road Coalition (SDORC).  The groups meet quarterly with land management agencies to discuss grants, management direction and concerns, support grants and seek solutions for common OHV recreation concerns.  The initial CA OHV Leader Group evolved into the California League of Off Road Voters. 
      
•   Communication forum:  Example - Minnesota Motorized Trail Coalition (MMTC)

An informal forum of the major Minnesota motorized recreation trail organizations. Each organization has an appointed representative.  Periodic meetings are conducted with attendance at meetings by invitation only.  A temporary chair person sends out the agendas and runs the meetings.  In April MN formed a formal, incorporated 501 (c)(3) association, the Coalition of Recreational Trail Users.   

10:30      Break

10:45      Discussion and decision on what organizational structure will work best for         for the WI OHV community?

11:00      Mission and focus of work for the immediate future

11:30 p.m.   Lunch

12:15      Specific objectives for your immediate future that address organizational,         opportunity and legislative goals

•   Identify specific common goals
•   Identify Lead group(s) or individual(s) for each goal
•   Identify group(s) or individual(s) who would also like to assist with each specific goal

12:45      Breakout action committees

•   Establish action plan for the each committee’s specific goal
•   Decide on the committee’s communication and decision making process
•   Identify available resources & skills
•   Identify additional needed resources and actions needed to obtain them
•   Establish dates to accomplish tasks

2:30      Committee reports

3:00      Communication structure

3:30       Adjourn meeting

We will be taking the next step and working on starting a state entity of some form to represent the OHV community. The discussions should be lively. Thanks Bentley for attending the first meeting and I hope to see you at this one. We need WOTA represented!

The below agenda will be going through some revisions. The meeting will most likely go to 4pm instead of 2 to get all of the work done on determining what the state organization will look like. I'll post any updates we get.

Wisconsin
OHV Organizational Workshop

Saturday – May 19, 2007

Dino’s Restaurant
2901 New Pinnery Road, Portage, WI

Draft Agenda

8:30 a.m.   Registration w/ Beverage Service            
               
9:00      Welcome, Agenda Review, Ground Rules and Introductions

9:15      Review of April 14 WI Organizational Development Workshop
   
•   Accomplishments
o   Consensus on desire to work together
o   Development of a Planning Team
o   Coordination of today’s Unity meeting
o   Comment on DNR Rule
o   Draft comments on the Badgerland OHV Area proposal

•   Challenges for the WI OHV recreation community
o   Organizational
o   Recreational
o   Legislative

09:45      Organizational structure options - how can the WI OHV community work         together?

•   Formal umbrella association
o   Develop new:   Example: NM
o   Revise existing:   Example: CT
•   Less formal coalition:   Example: CA      
•   Communication forum:   Example: MN

10:15      Break

10:30      What organizational structure will work for the WI OHV community?

11:00      Mission and focus of work for your next 12 months

11:30      Communication structure

12:00      Lunch

12:45      Specific goals for your next 12 months that address organizational,            opportunity and legislative needs

•   Goals
•   Lead - group or individual
•   Assistance – group or individual
•   Resources needed
•   Resource support
•   Accomplish by

1:45      Wrap-up

2:00      Adjourn workshop

I'll see you at the OHV workshop on April 14th, we can talk then. I have not sent anything yet but I do have the basic DVD showing a kids trials school I will send. I'll also include where to find the video clips mentioned earlier. I would also like to send similar items to the responsible people for the OHV park planned in Forest County. We were going to ask for a trials area in the new 4000 acre OHV park.

Here is some information on the new proposed DNR rules we will discuss at the NOHVCC workshop on April 14th in Portage.

(From Brigit Brown, state DNR Trails Coordinator)

Hi Folks,
Attached is the announcement of public hearings concerning the proposed changes to Department of Natural Resources' Administrative Code. Proposed changes of interest include: a $5 increase to the cost of a annual state trail pass (from $15 to $20), rules regarding motorcycles and their use on DNR properties, language toclarify the purpose and management of State Ice Age Trail Areas, and rules concerning camping in state parks.
Information about all of the proposals and a link to the text of the proposals are available online: http://dnr.wi.gov/org/land/parks/other/nr45.html.
Hearings will be held:
April 16 in Madison
April 23 in Milwaukee
April 25 in Wausau
Comments may also be submitted via the internet: http://adminrules.wisconsin.gov, and written comments on the proposed rule may be submitted via U.S. mail to Ms. Kate Fitzgerald, Bureau of Facilities and Lands, P.O. Box 7921, Madison, WI 53707. Comments are now being accepted and may be submitted until May 4, 2007.
Please help me get the word out on these proposals and forward this e-mail to others, post it on your websites, etc. This is an opportunity to participate in the process of making rules that may affect you!

-Brigit
Brigit E. Brown
State Trails Coordinator
Wisconsin State Park System
101 S. Webster Street, Box 7921
Madison, WI53707-7921
phone: 608-266-2183
fax: 608-267-7474



BEFORE THE

DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES

NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARINGS
LF-17-07




NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that pursuant to ss. 23.091, 23.09(2)(intro.), 23.11(1), 23.28(3), 23.293, 27.01(2)(j), 27.01(10)(b) and (f) and 227.11(2)(a), Stats., interpreting ss. 23.091, 23.09(2)(intro.), 23.11(4), 23.17, 23.175, 23.28(3), 23.293, 27.01(2)(i) and (j), 27.01(10)(f) and 28.04(2), Stats., the Department of Natural Resources will hold public hearings on revisions to chs. NR 1, 45 and 51, Wis. Adm. Code, relating to use of department properties. The proposed rule contains a number of changes for the purpose of improving or clarifying existing rules, creating a few property specific rules and amending a number of rules affecting fees and reservations in state parks and forests.

Seven state parks are being proposed to be added to the list of parks that charge an additional $3.00 per day for camping due to local market conditions and there is also a proposal that the fee be applied year round to all 15 parks that charge this differential. A state trail season pass fee increase of $5.00 is being proposed to meet increasing costs of maintaining and managing the trails. This would increase the annual fee from $15 to $20. Other proposals are aimed at simplifying the fee system in response to requests by the users.

A change in facility reservations would allow reservations to be made 11 months in advance for picnic areas, shelters, auditoriums, amphitheaters, tepees and yurts. The current rule allows reservations to be taken on the first business day in January.

Rules are being proposed for the newly established Lake Shore State Park that will establish hours and prohibit alcohol consumption outside or organized events.

Language has been included in ch. NR 1 to clarify the purpose and management of State Ice Age Trail areas, and to identify allowed uses and activities in order to provide consistency and improve management.

Other miscellaneous changes are proposed.

NOTICE IS HEREBY FURTHER GIVEN that pursuant to s. 227.114, Stats., it is not anticipated that the proposed rule will have an economic impact on small businesses. The Department’s Small Business Regulatory Coordinator may be contacted at SmallBusiness@dnr.state.wi.us or by calling (608) 266-1959.

NOTICE IS HEREBY FURTHER GIVEN that the Department has made a preliminary determination that this action does not involve significant adverse environmental effects and does not need an environmental analysis under ch. NR 150, Wis. Adm. Code. However, based on the comments received, the Department may prepare an environmental analysis before proceeding with the proposal. This environmental review document would summarize the Department’s consideration of the impacts of the proposal and reasonable alternatives.

NOTICE IS HEREBY FURTHER GIVEN that the hearings will be held on:

April 16, 2007 Gathering Waters Room, DNR South Central Region Hdqrs., 3911 Fish Hatchery Road
Monday Fitchburg at 4:00 p.m.

April 23, 2007 Auditorium, Havenwoods State Forest, 6141 N. Hopkins Street, Milwaukee
Monday at 4:00 p.m.

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Some of the wording on OHM vehicle size and ages needs to be addressed, it looks too similar to the current ATV rules that have kids ATVs by displacement rather than by if they fit on the vehicle properly.

There are also other issues we will discuss at the workshop. Our results will be forwarded to the DNR as a proposal to change their regulation before it is instituted. This is great timing, to have the workshop just before the rules become finalized. The DNR has worked with NOHVCC before and they have said they are looking forward to partnering with a new state OHV association. It makes their job easier having a voice of the OHV community they can go to for input.

I'm currently a member of the Manitowoc club that bought the abandoned gravel pit (66 acres). As an acoustic engineer I and another NHV engineer at H-D volunteered to represent them on the noise issues in court and did in fact attend and testify for them twice. We did a property line noise survey using sound equipment loaned by H-D that was very pursuasive in court. Our bill to the club was free memberships rather than the thousands we could have charged.

The one owner nearby wanted to buy the land himself and was very annoyed when the club bought it. He is appealing our win but we now have local groups supporting us such as the county board of realtors. They hate strict zoning rules in their business and have filed a brief in support of the club.

The club is able to survive with 35 members paying $300/year. There have been no noise complaints this year and the club purposely moved the trails to be further away and out of sight from the neighbors. We expect to win again in court. As a good will jester I will be offering to teach free OHV classes (ATV or dirt bike) to the local board, so they get to see what this OHV stuff is all about. I have also helped the club have their grounds accepted as a certified MSF and ATV training site. It's hard to critisize when the cub is offering "Safety" courses to the public.

Alex Bub
MSF and ATV Coach
NOHVCC Wisconsin State Representative
www.wisconsinoffroadadventures.com
   

The DNR has just propsed new rules effecting OHM and dual-sport bikes being used on state DNR lands.
This will be one of the topics discussed at the April 14th NOHVCC sponsored OHV workshop in Portage.
We will be discussing the proposal and will put together a unified response to the DNR. This is also a great time to submit a proposal to the DNR that they add a trials training area near the trailheads when they update or build new OHV trails in state forests or the new OHV park in Forest County. Public comment is being taken until May 4th.

If you can make it, please register and attend the OHV workshop mentioned earlier. The DNR has specifically asked for our comments on these issues.

Alex Bub
NOHVCC Wisconsin State Representative

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll look for some trials clips.

I have a very beginner trials school CD I can also forward to her that Bill Markham [www.itstrials.com] made for his trials school out West.

Alex

The agenda was just updated and you can register on-line.

The workshops are not a sit there and listen to the presenters all day long. We break off into smaller groups to discuss issues and come up with suggestions that are brought before the whole group. This is a great chance to sit down with fellow riders and come up with solutions to the OHV issues facing the state.

Alex Bub


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE         Contact:   Chris Hannis
March 8, 2007               Phone:    920-379-6074   
                     Email:      9erscruiser@centurytel.net

                     Contact:    Alex Bub
                     Phone:     920-994-2600   
                     Email:      husabergchamp@myexcel.com

WI Off-Highway Vehicle Organization Development
Workshop

Saturday – April 14, 2007
Comfort Suites Hotel
N 5780 Kinney Road (Exit 108A off of I-90/I-94/I-39), Portage, WI
Phone: 608-745-4717/Web: www.comfortsuites.com

https://conference.nohvcc.org/?EVENT&EVENTCODE=010193-24&PASSWORD=4718&template=odwWI

The Wisconsin Four Wheel Drive Association, Wisconsin Off-Highway Vehicle Association, the American Motorcyclist Association District 16 and the National Off-Highway Vehicle Conservation Council will conduct a one-day off-highway vehicle organization development workshop on Saturday, April 14, 2007 at the Comfort Suites in Portage, Wisconsin.

The purpose of the workshop is for off-highway motorcycle, ATV and four-wheel drive enthusiasts and OHV-oriented businesses to come together to build Wisconsin’s OHV clubs, specific vehicle associations and increase cooperative efforts to build the OHV community’s voice in the state.  The workshop will include interactive work on leadership, communication, organization management, education outreach, working with land managers and elected officials and building partnerships. 

Keep a watch on the following websites for updates on the workshop:
•   AMA District 16      http://cycleusa.com/dist16/
•   Wisconsin 4WDA      http://forum.w4wda.org/forums/383/ShowThread.aspx#383
•   Wisconsin OHV Assn.   www.wohva.com
•   NOHVCC         www.nohvcc.org
 
A registration fee of $15.00 will be charged to help cover notebooks, lunches and beverages.  Advance registration is required.   The registration deadline is April 7. There will be no on-site registration.   For print registration forms please contact Ann Vance at 888-458-0131 or you may register on line.  Contact Chris Hannis or Alex Bub for further  workshop information.

The National Off-Highway Vehicle Conservation Council is a non-profit educational foundation.  For information regarding the NOHVCC and its workshop program visit its website at www.nohvcc.org.

Join us on April 14 and help build the OHV community’s voice in Wisconsin!

The agenda was just finalized, see below

Wisconsin
OHV Organizational Workshop

Saturday – April 14, 2007

Comfort Suites Hotel
N 5780 Kinney Road (Exit 108A off of I-39)
Portage, WI

Agenda

8:30 a.m.   Registration w/ Beverage Service            
               
9:00      Welcome                  
Agenda Review & Ground Rules
Introductions

9:15      Wisconsin OHV Clubs and Organizations Today   

•   Are you as clubs and organizations working together effectively?
•   What specific land management actions would improve WI OHV recreation opportunities?
•   What specific legislative efforts would benefit WI OHV recreation opportunities?

Basic Tools
o   Leadership and empowering your membership
o   Communication guidelines
o   Organization development & structure
o   Organization management
o   Membership development

10:15      Break

10:30      Continue – Basic Tools

12:00      Lunch   

12:30      The 4 Es – Principles of Effective OHV Recreation Management

1:30      Working Effectively with Land Managers

•   Building Relationships
•   Influencing Land Management Decisions
•   Forest County OHV Park
2:30      Break

2:45      Continue – Working Effectively with Land Managers

3:15      Developing, Promoting and Passing Legislation

4:15      Wrap-up

4:30      Adjourn Workshop

A registration fee of $15.00 will be charged to help cover materials, lunches and beverages.  Advance registration is required.   The registration deadline is April 7. There will be no on-site registration.   For registration forms please contact Ann Vance at 888-458-0131or at avance@nohvcc.org.  For further information regarding the workshop please contact Chris Hannis, WI 4WDA at 920-379-6074 or 9erscruiser@centurytel.net or Alex Bub, WI NOHVCC State Representative at 920-994-2600 or husabergchamp@myexcel.com.

The National Off-Highway Vehicle Conservation Council is a non-profit educational foundation.  For information regarding the NOHVCC and its workshop program visit its website at www.nohvcc.org.
 
Join us on April 14.  Help create a positive future for Wisconsin OHV recreation!

Alex Bub
Wisconsin State Representative NOHVCC
www.wisconsinoffroadadventures.com

I always bring up the trials bikes at every OHV meeting I go to. At the Bong meeting I asked for a separate area with big rocks and other obstacles to be added. I think we should send the state trails coordinator a trials CD so she has a better understanding of what its about. Do either of you have something you could part with that is not so extreme as to have her gasping in fright?

Brigit E. Brown
State Trails Coordinator
Bureau of Parks and Recreation
101 S. Webster St. PO Box 7921
Madison, WI 53707-7921
brownbe@dnr.state.wi.us
608-266-2183

Hi Bently, Dave;

I was looking at older e-mails from both of you and thought I would visit the WOTA site again to see what's new. I'm sorry to hear you have had trouble with hackers. Hasn't anyone told the Ruskies the cold war is over and they lost? Guess they are still annoyed.

Are either of you coming to the OHV Organizational Development Workshop on April 14th? I'd like to see the trials guys have a voice in the building of the state association as well as have input on the proposed Badgerland OHV Park in Forest County. 

Dave, I just picked up a few tractor tires I'm going to use for another obstacle. I think I can get more free ones from Perfect Circle Tire just up the road towards Plymouth.

Alex