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Mark Doll will have their event on May 18 & 19 at Wauzeka.
Jim and Judy Mente's will host Mt. Road event on July 20 & 21.
The Neis family has agreed to the Dickeyville event on Aug. 3.
The boys from Town Creek Trials, Black River Falls, will host event Sept 21 & 22.  This will are be a dual event with UMTA.
Noel Smage will host at Smagical Rock, Mauston, April 7 or 14.  Also a 2 day event Sept 7 & 8 or the 14 & 15.
Note: NATC National in Duluth - Aug 24 & 24.  And the World event is rumored to hopefully be on May 25 & 26 in TN.
If anyone can fill in any other dates, please let me know.  We need these set up by the Dist 16 meeting, Nov 10.
I am working with UMTA and NITRO presidents so as to not schedule events on the same weekend.  They do not have to have their schedules in untill first of Dec but will keep me posted of their plans.  So with Noel being flexible, hope to have the schedule soon.
Thanks for your help,
Shari Huber

For those of us who have to pick vacation in November for the whole following year, thank you for the heads up :):):):)

NATC Meeting 10/19-10/21 with 2013 schedule determined at that time!

6/15 & 6/16/2013  New York
 
6/22 & 6/23 Vermont
 
7/27 & 7/28 Arizona
 
8/3 & 8/4  New Mexico
 
8/24 & 8/25  Spirit Mountain – Duluth, MN

 ;D

   Do NITRO  and UMTA have there calendars up  to see  which weekends might be most open for the smagrock events?  would really like to have  a shot  at some foreigners  coming over. I thought this years turnouts as far as raw rider #s  where on the verge of piss poor.  My event could be so much better if  we could be more assured of strong draw ,thats why I feel its a bit unfair to for 3 years ihn a row award BRF  things like double points and cross border points  . 

Have you contacted NITRO or UMPTE to see what would work best? I left a message on your answering machine but you haven't responded yet. 

   I want to thank the WOTA  officers for the effort that they have made over the last 3 years to notify NITRO on the dates they choose  for the WOTA series.

 With this information I try to work out a schedule that does not conflict with NITRO's . There are six different venues in IL. that we use to put on at least ten events for NITRO.

Our Dist.17 Sanction meeting is in Early Dec. and at this meeting will try.... as I have in the past  to persuade  the different groups not to conflict with WOTA's events.
                                                                                            Ralph Littlefield

wITH  brf  sEP 22 WEKEND WE WOULD NOT BE WISE TO HAVE ONE JUST 1 WEEK B4  AND  TO AVOID lABOR DAY SEEMS  TO LEAVE THE  7/8  DATES AS ONLY CHOICE WHICH i ASSUME WILL CONFLICT WITH IL AND MN

Noel,

Obviously you have a problem with BRF getting cross border points.  Maybe the reason it gets cross border points is because it's an hour and a half closer to Minnesota?  Just a possibility.  We all know your family has done an awful lot for the sport of trials.  Your kids are amazing riders, and more approachable than anyone I've met in a long time. Good people.   Now to my point.  For you to send an email to the Minnesota members on the umta website to get them to have Mauston a cross border points event over BRF, calling BRF a "mole hill with three rocks" crosses the line.  If it's that important to you, tell Dave you want it.  He'll probably say great, have it.  Nobody works harder at putting on a good event than Dave Jelinek.  He's just too good of a guy to say anything back.  Let alone say it on the internet for all to see.  That's like Dave calling your place a "total sand pit".  The world of trials doesn't revolve around you.  Get over yourself.   

I'm posting this as the Admin of this site...

Before this escalates any further, lets everyone please tone it down a little bit.  Discussion is good, and the schedule and which events get cross-border points needs to get worked out, but lets keep it civil please.

Dan Salton

Good point Dan, and with that may I impose upon you all with some history, which may or may not be pertinent.

The origin of joint point events between the WOTA & the UMTA date back to, I believe 1981 or 1982.  With the help of Hans & Nate Pigorsch, we had our first Hixton Trial at Silvermound in 1978.  It quickly became a very popular venue with riders from Wisconsin, Illinois, Iowa and Minnesota.  Another riding area that was also very popular at the time was Thielman, MN, drawing riders heavily friom MN, Iowa, WI and even from Illinois. 

In 1982, I became a Montesa dealer and became friends with a Yamaha dealer from So St Paul named John Fitzgerald.  John dabbled in Trials on the side (SWM) more as a hobby than a money maker.  In an effort to promote both friendly competition between clubs as well as our sales, we set about promoting a couple of 2 day joint point paying events - one at Thielman and one at Silvermound.  It made great sense.  Riders from both states were attending both events.  Travel time from the Twin cities area, where most of the MN riders were concentrated, was only a little bit further to Hixton than it was to Thielman.

It goes without saying that they were a success.  One year we decided to have a Tri state Championship event, which turned out to be a Quad State Championship between WI, MN, IA & Ill.  Shortly thereafter I was tossing around the idea of becoming a Fantic Dealer and invited Chuck West/TMi, the Fantic importer to Hixton to promote his new franchise and a series he was pushing called AOTSCA (Amer Observed Trials Sidecar Assoc) which featured small bore classes and side cars.  He mad a promotional trip to our area with his team and we had a 2 day with one day being at Thielman and one day at Silvermound.  In 1984, we actually held a AOTSCA National at Silvermound. 

In 1986, we had a NATC National with one day being at Thielman and one day at Silvermound - a memorable event in that Ryan Young won his 1st National at Silvermound breaking a 16 event win streak by multi year Champ, Scott Head.

As time went on, 25 years of events at Silvermound took its toll.  Hunting and other land use problems arose there and we moved to the Quarry.  Fast forward a little more and Dave Jelinek and the Town Creek Trials boys became involved.  As old age began to set in on Kirschner and land use problems arose at the quarry, the venue moved 10 miles to BRF.

And the joint UMTA/WOTA relationship moved there and continues because it is first of all, IMHO, it is a good event.  I always have fun there.  It may not be top notch NATC caliber terrain, but Dave, Jeremy, Adam, Randy, Billy and the rest of the Town Creek crew do an excellent job of working with what they have to put on a great event.

Of great importance in this day of gasoline prices pushing $4/gallon, it is within that 2 hour travel time for most MN riders....3 hours for some.  Mauston, albeit good terrain and a good event, becomes a 3.5 to 4.5 hour jaunt for most MN riders.

Soooooooo, as Dan said, lets tone it down.  Lets not start stepping on toes over petty and inappropriate arguments when in the end, history has made this event what it is and travel time makes a change of venue prohibitive.  After all, a very few riders make the trip based soley on points.

What is the current reasoning or framework for bestowing double District 16 points at a particular WOTA event?  Or did we decide to drop the double points?

Double points for (D-16) was used to get more people to an event , as for what I was told in the past. I was told they used it to get more people to Wauzeka because they felt that they were losing alot of riders compared to the past events there. I my self used double points at BRF last year just to get all the D-16 people there to the event so they all would come to the meeting and join in on what was being changed or done for D-16 Trials, But most didnt care about the meeting so I didnt use it again. It is now up to the New President to decide where or if she wishes to use them at all.  Some people get all flustered about dble points but personaly I feel its just a lever to push when you think it will help the cause for that event.
And as far as joint events, if we are having a double points event that doesnt mean that minn. is getting double points. it was for D-16 . and as for holding  joint events with all other states I think it is GREAT, BUT, you have to get them to come there first and like Steve said the cost of gas is killing everyone!!! that I feel is the biggest problem of not getting the people to come.
 you want people to show up at your event tell them you will give them all a 50.00 $ gas card when they sign up !  ;D :o ::)
 hope you all have a great holidays! GOD BLESS! JV

Hmmmmmmmmmm.....now here is something to chew on for 2013 - at least at the FIM Level

http://www.trialscentral.com/headline-stories/14343-2013-world-trial-championship-no-stop

No stop???

NO STOP? MEANING THAT YOU CANT STOP DEAD AND BALANCE IN ONE SPOT?? I AM NOT SURE WHAT THEY MEAN, HELP ME! PLEASE.

Yea, that's what it means and it's stupid.  If you don't want to stop, just ride an old vintage HOS.  No brakes and dragging clutch will ensure you can't stop.

LOL thanks ! so then I wont need to get as good as pat smage in my balance department!! LOL!

   OK  Illll apologize AGAIN , I posted somewhere  that Brf is enjoyable and worth the trip  escp if hill on back side is set to ride . I understand the distance issue , and how BRF is the new Hixton and so NO more whining (from me). Can one see how attending an event with 20 more riders would make  a trialsmaster a bit jealous?I am a known double points total disagree  er  so that was probably more grating than the UMTA points thing.  I do see that BRF has been moved  a week earlier which will further crimp days available to not conflict  with UMTA  they seem to love 2  2 days per month in Aug Sep Oct ,so we will be challenged to get more than a half dozen ex/ch riders total again. I can access a whole lot more incredible land but will not mess with the huge effort when schedules dictate low chances at increasing turnout.  I believe this fall we had  ZERO riders come down from the North (except Sheboygan may be  just slightly North ) not sure why.  Maybe the big snowmo swap meet  and  the thing the boys did  a show at  drew some  to MN  for the weekend?   Not enough weekends in a month. 

  A  final attempt to clarify why I am desperate to find the magic date for fall 2 day: I spent easily 50 hours and 2 tanks of diesel in the backhoe rearranging boulders and removing dead down trees to make  what is there even better ,largely with upper level riders in mind  and the Sept  8   day rolls in  we have 1 expert  and 1 champ and myself.  On Sunday still 1 champ  and 2 more experts ride  ,justvery very disappointing . I know the first year I went a bit  craZy with the scary stuff nut if you look at this years  scores  ,the only mistake may have been having Novice much too ez  and the rest a bit boring possibly. Heres hoping my poor behavior is forgiven so riding can be the first priority and enjoyed as it should be., Thanks for those who shared our fun.

IMHO I thought both Mauston events this year were fun. I rode a few of the intermediate lines just to try it out and I felt you guys did a nice job setting things up.

At the Sept. 8 th Mauston event, us Advanced riders were having so much fun, we didn't want to stop, and rode late into the afternoon.   :D

   Steves post gives me cause to throw out  a little history lesson of my own as he and I are about the only humans still so hopelessly hooked on the sport to still be involved long ,long after the birthday meeting of WOTA in the late 70 s  .Presently it seems 80 % of riders have been at it for 5 or maybe 10 years,that s  great.  I rode probably 90% of every trials held in WI for over 20 years and then for the last 10  got a  lot more involved out of state and country ,what has added up to something close to 500 observed competitions attended ,I have seen a lot of so,so    to great events occur. Most all were fun and worthwhile experiences for sure .Back to WI specific I have served as President and other offices  ,probably have trialsmastered 50 plus rounds .Pioneered virgin turf in Whitewater and Platteville as well as hosting from our farm and new land . Would be interesting to see if Kirschner is leading that statistic  . So if I come across as   a know it all to some there is  a slight reason. So  my jab with sarcastic humor at BRF stems from the feeling of unfairness to see twice the ridership in part helped by cross border points and double points ,I hope that is understandable ,nuff said!

  Of course I was using redneck math which means anything favorable is prossibly overstated by 8  to 10 %  I also secured and setup  a 1  time event near Lake Geneva  where  A billion $ golf resort is now ,  The fun part is when the lady who owned it showed up and nearly booted all of us out.  Dont assume that groundskeepers can be trusted,I guess he figured she was way out of town??

Man, Noel.  I can't even remember how many events I have been involved in.  35 years worth.  Trialsmastered at least one two day a year for at least 30 years.  Most memorable for me were WOTA prez  & trialsmaster at 1986 NATC National at Silvermound and member of "the Crew" for 3 NATC Nationals and 3 World Rounds at Duluth.

Talking history, a few of the other old boys still quite active...Ralph Littlefield and a young snotnosed upstart that showed some promise back in those days of yesteryear, Dave Rohrschneider.  A former state champion that we see occaisionally by the name of Jim Altemus as well as another very good rider, BR542 (Bryan Runyard).  On the Minnesota side, Jim Winterer, Don Anderson and Gordy Boogie are still very active.  Griff Wigley has just recently faded off into the pedal bike world.  Of course there is the really old guy, the main contribution of which has been his offspring  ;D....Rod Villand.  At 64, I would feel like the old man except Don Anderson and the "Old Fossill" Villand got me by a couple of years.  If I left some names out that are still around...my apologies.

When u are up to ur ass in alligators, it is hard to remember that ur objective is to drain the swamp.   I don't want to be critical, but I think it is time to look in the mirror and refocus.  IMHO, only a few people really care about points.   It is easy to forget our main objective of getting out to do what we love to do...riding motorcycles.  Friendly competition.  Comradery.   

The KISS principle....keep it simple stupid.  The less inhibited, the more fun.  Rules are inhibitions.  On the subject of old guys, remeber the song by the 5 Man Electrical Band, "Signs, Signs, everywhere a sign.  Blocking out the scenery, breaking my mind.  Do this, don't do that, can't u read the sign".  I know I am about to get in trouble here, but WOTA has developed a reputation of two many signs.  Remember the silent majority is here to have fun.  WOTA's goal should be fun.  You can't make people have fun with a bunch of rules.  I know we need some rules.  The AMA and NATC have already made plenty of them.  We need to use them a a common gound but must be flexible.  We are amateurs that still have to make a living.  Sometimes we will be late...and more than likely unintentionally.  Riding in groups can make it very hard to get done in time.  Disqualification, on this level, should only be for gross and intentional violation of the essential rules of competition.

I won't ramble on.  IMHO, double points (BS), cross border points, etc., are not what brings riders.  Well organized events with rideable (well marked) sections, minimal supplemental rules with reasonable enforcement, starting on time,  an effort/adjustment to finish on time, and a genuine feeling that u are welcome are what attracts riders.  In other words, an effort to put on an enjoyable event.

Simply, more hassle=less riders - less hassle=more riders

  Well said on all accounts  . What is behind all this nonsense is simply the fact that I will never ride bigger and harder stuff than have already; BUT I can dream to put on the most kick axx event that will be the benchmark for measurement. With a club as weak in numbers as WI is and has been ,the thought of a National has long been tossed BUT I ,being as dedicated to making trials as great as it can be , am desperate to have the pieces fit to go big on  all fronts ,stealing some of many peoples ideas  i,e  Jims freestyle madness.  Nebraskas  bike launch,  Oklahoma's  live band  ,maybe a trials school ,friday night  gate trial ,CLUB 95 ,s  keg of left over reunion beer?   You get the idea , Guys like You and Ahlers have always impressed me with the get up and set up great events capability ,now I just want my turn  but I seem to be  in a  tough time slot .  I feel this is not the year to get over creative  since  the WTC is coming to TTC  and  Dul;uth with the NATC rounds  there is plenty going on. So it boils down to a plea for maybe  a year when BIG events are less accessible  I can get a break and Get the green light to go all in.!!

   Post concerning Fall Mauston 2 day  , After reading on Trials Central the 11 pages of no stop related posts I looked at the FIM calender and noticed the TDN is Sept 7/8 ,then asked Pat if he was turning down the great free trip again and this year he will be sending  a letter of intent to NATC so IF he gets chosen we will be heading for France . Then looking into alternative dates  the month of  August is the only way to go But needing to avoid Aug 3/4 ( Dickeyville and Natc NM)  and avoid Duluth Natc Aug 24/25  leaves justr middle 2 weekends.  Any thoughts   ??   Most likely cant swap with BRF for the later September date and have them do Sept 7/8 as  it affects the UMTA calender too much. ?  Of course the FIM has been known to change their dates around on occasion  which could create more havoc. but I think that is more like  when Japan has  SARS  or Tsunami scares. Actually after some more thought it may be best t5o move into October  as  WOTA seems to stop events even though the riding is often as good as it gets  late in the season. I have tried to avoid Oct  as I have a combine to run through crops but I could park machine 4 a few days if need be. So I am thinking 2 weeks after  BRF  would be the 5th and 6th  or could be 12/13 if 1st weekend conflicts w/ NITRO/and or UMTA Are there any 2013 event schedules ready for inspection?

Teach Sharilyn to run the combine  ::) ::)
Sorry...couldn't help myself ;D

Through email  with UMTA pres  have determined  a MN round the Oct 12/13 weekend   SO maybe we need to shoot for OCT 5/6    a nice round 2 weeks after  the BRF  dates.   How workable is that  for officers and such? 

October 5th and 6th doesn't conflict with the current plans for NITRO either.  Unless I hear different, I will try to get the date changed in the add we are putting in the District 16 Cycle 2013 schedule magazine. 

  So Kev that weekend is ok for you?  With  a change to Oct I will desire more sections set by others or I will be doing it several weeks in advence like on the way home from Duluth  and around Labor day , because I still need to be ready and most likely quite into soybean harvest , I just see a pretty heavy amount of events in Aug/ Sep so willing to push it later ,seems likje the most workable compromise.  .....

So as it stands now, all the EARLY year events will stay with the dates provided. . .
Its the ones LATER in the year that are under question?
I only ask, cuz i like to give my employer my full schedule at the beginning of the year.
At least they have plenty of heads up for the weekends i take off

Oct 5-6 will be my weekend to work and with my vacation planning the way its I won't be  able to take it off to ride. :'( :'( :'(

Hopefully, the schedule is complete and can stay as it is.  (sorry Andy, hate that your schedule doesn't line up better)  We will be getting it posted on the main page soon.
Mauston on April 14
Wauzeka on May 18 & 19.
Baraboo Mt. Road on July 20 & 21.
Dickeyville on Aug. 3, Platteville on Aug 4
Black River Falls, on Sept 21 & 22.  This will are be a dual event with UMTA.
Mauston on Oct 5,6.